Steroids Before and After

High and Low Estrogen (E2, Estradiol) Symptoms

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I unfortunately have become an EXPERT in Estrogen in men.  In particular I’m really awesome at having mine be way too high, or way too low and completely missing the ‘sweet spot’ where you feel great, pack on muscle, lose fat, and have a ravenous sex drive.

If you aren’t on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or aren’t cycling steroids, estrogen is probably something, that as a man, you don’t have to think about at all.

Although more and more often you are seeing otherwise healthy men with unusually high estrogen levels, that have never done steroids.

Our environment is becoming increasingly toxic.  Many of the chemicals we encounter on a daily basis, have estrogen like compounds in them that will raise a man’s E levels.

That’s not what this post is about. Just to say that unless you’re on gear or TRT you’ve likely not had to worry about this very tricky hormone.

I also need to point out I was wrong on my article about arimidex.  A-dex did not break my dick per se, on it’s own.  It broke it by driving E levels too low.

So arimidex and other AI’s aren’t inherently bad, they’re just powerful and easy to overdose.  They’re also extremely useful if your E has swung the other way and is too high.

I wanted to make this list of symptoms because when I was searching the internet for “High Estrogen in men” or “low E2 in in men symptoms” I kept coming across the SAME regurgitated list.

It’s an extremely confusing list and it’s not at all accurate.  If you’ve done your own searching before finding this website, maybe you know the one I’m talking about, it’s got “big belly” as one of the symptoms.  What??

Here’s what I’ve found in real life to be TRUE symptoms

High Estrogen

Fat fingers – Not dramatically, but if you wear rings they suddenly stop fitting.

Loss of definition – disappearing abs, even while dieting hard

Suddenly stop losing fat  – even with good diet and being on steroids

Facial Bloating

Don’t expect this to be dramatic like you look like you’re having an allergic reaction to shellfish, or you put on 50 pounds and can see it in your face.  It’s not that.  But if your E gets too high, you’ll notice in the mirror your face is just puffier, like it normally would if you were 20 pounds heavier.

I have an old injury on my cheek from falling off a bicycle, and that immediately swells a little when my E is too high.  Again, I don’t think friends and family would notice, but I notice.

I’m 41 years old now.  I’m lucky, I have good genes and look about 30.  But when my E is high, my face puffs up and the extra puffiness, brings out crazy BAGS under my eyes and wrinkles that aren’t normally there.  I look OLD with high E.  If you look hung-over all the time, it could be high E.  Or you could just be old!  Lol.

If you’re dieting hard, and lean enough to see an ab or two, but still look fat in the face it’s probably high E.  Now if you’re just fat that’s a different story, but if your face doesn’t match your current leanness, or came on suddenly even as your waistline goes down, it could be a sign of high E.

The Gear stops working

This is the biggest tip-off that your E has gotten too high.  You start having bad days in the gym, dropping reps, looking flatter in the mirror, even while injecting yourself twice a week and eating plenty of protein!  You start thinking “what am I even doing this for?”  It’s the E. Get the E down and the gear will start doing it’s thing again.

Erectile Dysfunction

You can probably GET it up, but it’s just not as hard as it used to be, and it’s very difficult to keep it up.  If this start happening suddenly, don’t listen to the morons on the internet it’s NOT “all in your head” it IS a chemical imbalance.  You find it’s hard to stay hard for sex.  And as your E climbs higher you even have trouble staying hard masturbating.

Sex stops feeling as good.  It feels like every girl is terrible at giving blowjobs.  You can still come, but it’s a lot of work.  You shouldn’t look at porn anyway because excessive porn use will give you ED on it’s own.  But if you do, you notice even porn starts to get BORING.

For me personally the desire, the libido was still there, I still WANTED girls, my body just wouldn’t cooperate.  Very frustrating to say the least.  Don’t feel bad about it, it’s a chemical imbalance that will all straighten itself out when you get the E under control.

With high E, Viagra and Cialis work very well.  Cialis works incredibly well for me with high E.  I take one 20mg pill and I can have crazy rock hard erections any time I need one for FIVE DAYS!  I don’t understand why.  It’s only supposed to be effective for 36 hours, but I’m good to go for a long time.

So don’t panic if high E has broken you dick, the pills are a great backup plan until you get the hormones balanced.  Low E ED is another story…. see below.

Noticeably Smaller Loads / Crappy Orgasm

Yeah I know, gross.  But this is a very clear sign something is amiss with your E.  Unfortunately this one is almost exactly the same when your E is too high and too low.  When you orgasm it just feels.  ehhh.  Ok.  Not bad, but certainly not the mind-blowing, awesome experience it is when your hormones are in balance.  I’ve heard it called “dull orgasm”.  I think that’s a very appropriate description.

If all of your orgasms are IN your wife/girlfriend, you may not notice this one, but if they are by yourself or ON your lady, you will definitely notice this one.

With too high or too low E there is a large decrease in the overall volume.  Very noticeable.  I feel like I’m down to half or less of the normal amount, when E is out of range.  You may also notice things are… thicker and whiter than usual, like you are dehydrated, even though you may be drinking plenty of water.

Dizziness – I do get a little dizzy when E is too high.

Emotional / Crying watching TV/movies – Yep!  I CRIED like a woman watching these 2 birds do a ‘love dance’ on the nature channel!  Lol, I’m not even kidding.  And I didn’t even recognize it as high E at the time, I just thought “well it was really moving”.  Really??  Lol.

Tight Balls

When my E is really high, my balls are high and tight more often than not.  You know like they normally are when you’re cold.  But they’re like that a lot of the time.  You can be otherwise warm body temp, but they just won’t hang low like normal.  

It’s not that it’s impossible, after a long hot shower they will for a bit.  But if you notice they are high and feel tight often even when you are warm, this is definitely a sign of high Estrogen.

Low Estrogen

Erectile Dysfunction

What?!  Again??  Yes again.  Your properly functioning dick is unfortunately the first thing to go when E gets out of range.  The other symptoms are tolerable or don’t really flare up until you are way out of range. But to have proper erectile function you really have to be in that 20-30 range.

Low E ED is worse than high E because Viagra and Cialis don’t even work.  They might cause a slight improvement, but they won’t give you a raging boner as promised.

Horrible Acne

High T, LOW E is a disaster for acne.  I never, ever, ever had an acne problem in my life even as a teenager.  I got a pimple or two sure, but nothing bad.  When my E was way too low for way too long on cycle I broke out in nasty, deep CYSTIC acne all over my shoulders and back.  I was left with red scars for almost a year afterwards.  When my E was way too high, my skin was remarkably clear, even on copious amounts of gear.

Achy Joints / Excessive joint cracking

This is the easiest one to diagnose.  The libido / ED one is tricky because both can cause it, but achy joints is only low E.  When my E was low I got really bad hip pain, that kept me up at night.  At all of 40 years old!  I had to completely stop bench pressing because my shoulders were so bad.  Shoulder pain kept me up at night too.

And I missed a couple leg workouts because of hip and knee pain.  I’ve always had shoulder issues from too much surfing.  But I’ve NEVER had hip/knee pain.  You can have joint pain from age, lifetime of abuse, not doing your external rotator exercises then trying to bench heavy, etc. But if it all comes on in a month or two, mid cycle when you’re running an AI, it’s probably low E.

I could turn my neck to the right or left and get a wicked ‘CRACK!’ sound with low E.  I never had that before.

Low Appetite – you just aren’t hungry with low E.

You’re ripped – it’s easy to get/stay lean with low E.  You won’t bloat at all, and you have no appetite.  My body looked good when my E was too low, but my dick was broken and my joints were a mess.  Not worth it.

You don’t sleep much I woke up even more often than usual, got to bed late all the time, would roll around with insomnia, and averaged maybe 6-7 hours a night.  It’s not the worst symptom, but it’s definitely noticable.

NOT a Symptom of High or Low E

Hot flashes, increased body temperature.

You “run hot” from being on copious amounts of steroids.  It has nothing to do with high or low E.  Take Testosterone injections, your metabolism increases dramatically, and you literally burn off more calories in the form of heat, then someone not on T.

I’ve had ‘hot flashes’ where I’m sweating through my shirt in my office chair while everyone else in the office is comfortable.  And I’ve had that with both really low and way too high E.  It’s not a symptom.

Gynocomastia – I know this IS a symptom of high E for some guys.  But I never had it, even when I had a reading of 106!  So if you’re counting on gyno to be your red flag to diagnose high E, don’t.

It seems like the guys that were naturally big/husky in gradeschool, get gyno issues, and the guys that were skinny string-beans don’t.  I was a skinny kid, and I’ve never had gyno issues even with way out of range, high E.

Panic attacks / Anxiety – Not for me.  Not when high or low.  I have had AWFUL anxiety episodes in my life in the past, but it was because of STRESS for extended amounts of time, and the resulting andrenal fatigue from that stress.  E didn’t affect this for me.

Loss of morning wood – Nope.  I had fantastic night and morning boners with high and low E.  The low E ones would WAKE ME UP it was so hard.  Which was epicly frustrating because I couldn’t get that same dick to work later on with a woman.

Excessive porn use will DEFINITELY kill your morning wood. So stop doing that, before you blame low/high E.

Redness on the face/chest – You get this from doing steroids!  The extra testosterone increases your red blood cell count, and blood volume, and yeah you look a little reddish in the chest /face area.  I LIKE it.   I look like I’m tan all the time.  It’s the increased blood volume, it’s got nothing to do with high/low E.  I have it whenever I’m on.

So What to Do About It?

If you can’t figure out what’s going on based on symptoms – get blood work.  Then you’ll know for sure.  But it’s impractical and expensive to get blood work all the time.  Being able to properly diagnose off symptoms is an excellent tool to have in your arsenal.

You don’t want to not run an AI.  I did that in the beginning of my second cycle and sure enough E got way too high.  But you don’t want to overdose on your AI or your E will get too low. Honestly that is WORSE.

Just for an idea of how incredibly powerful AI’s are, my first cycle was 500mg / week of Test E.  I took .5mg of Arimidex every OTHER day and still drove my E into the ground.  Breaking my dick in the process.  From a HALF A MILLIGRAM every other day!  A-dex is no joke.

You can’t run no AI, or it will get out of control the other way.  I would start with .25mg M/W/F and adjust from there.

Of all the hormones Estrogen is by far the hardest to control, and has the WORST side effects if you don’t.  I couldn’t get a proper boner for 6 MONTHS while my E swung from too low to too high.

I’m advising you guys to not beat yourself up if that happens to you, and know it’s just a chemical imbalance. While that’s all true, it SUCKS.  You do feel like less of a man.  It’s horrible.  I lost a girl because of it, and lost my confidence for MONTHS after.

But getting the body I’ve always wanted is important to me and I’d do it all over again if I had to.

You can build muscle with a Testosterone level of 500 or 5,000.  And have very few side effects anywhere in that range.  But if your E2 gets out of this ridiculously small window of 20-30, you’re fucked.  So make sure you manage the symptoms on this list.  If in doubt, let yourself go too high over too low.  Low is the worse of the two.

*** Disclaimer - All of the information on this site is for entertainment purposes only. If steroids are illegal where you live, then don’t buy them. I’m not encouraging you to break the law ***

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68 Comments

  • Reply
    gridner
    April 24, 2019 at 9:21 am

    Hey Roly,

    5′ 10″
    210 lbs
    520 squat
    380 bench
    450 dead

    I am 25 years old and started my first Test E 500mg/week cycle 8 days ago. I am two pins into the cycle. Just got my pre-cycle bloodwork back. My test levels fell into the normal range (632 ng/dl with a normal range of 250-1100). My estrogen levels are concerning however, they came back at the way high end (167 pg/ml with a normal range of 60-190).
    My question is this, I have Arimidex on hand (100 1mg pills) I took half of one today and plan on taking .5mg EOD for the next 3 weeks. I am going to get blood work done after 4 weeks of the cycle to see how my body is handling the cycle and if my levels are reacting correctly.
    Is this what you would recommend me to do? Nothing has kicked in yet, trying to do my best to get down my already high estrogen levels. Is there anyway the bloodwork could have been wrong? I have no symptoms (other than low libido) of high estro levels. My father has lower end estrogen and higher end test and we are very similar.

    Thanks for your time.

    • Reply
      Roly
      May 24, 2019 at 2:34 pm

      If the range for your E test is 60-190 and you are at 167, you are FINE. Are you confusing your particular E test range for the e2 ultrasensitve test? The ranges are very different. The ultrasensitive one you want to be under 29. But what you posted says you want to be under 190 for that test. Which you are. High normal is fine. I think you’re good man!

      But you’re risking totally crashing out your E with that much a-dex. .5mg EOD for me would completely crash my E, and take my libido with it.

      If I was going to do another 500mg Test E cycle, personally I would do 12.5mg or Aromosin (equivalent to .25mg adex) every Mon/Thurs. Any more than that I’d tank my E. mayyyyybe 6 weeks into the cycle I could get away with .25mg every M/W/F.

  • Reply
    berto
    August 4, 2018 at 12:33 am

    Hey roly, im on 500 mg test e per week. I started 3 weeks ago this is the 6th shot. every tuesday and friday. And i was told too start arimidex on the end of the 4th shot so 2nd week. I did .5 mg of liquidex every other day. And when i first took it my dick was so strong but then it started losing touch and now it wont stay hard even with porn. I stopped the arimidex completely i want to stop trt but i think ill just finish it its a 10 week cycle so 6 more weeks to go. I just want to fix my dick. And also since i probably wont touch anything else in the future will i need a PCT or can i just take arimedex at the end of the cycle.

    • Reply
      Roly
      September 30, 2018 at 7:43 pm

      Well my reply is really late, so who knows what you’ve done at this point. I would stay on, finish the cycle, but just drop your arimidex totally until your dick starts working again, then take a very low dose, maybe .25mg M/W/F. That’s it. Not .5mg EOD, .25mg M/W/F.

      Yes you need a PCT. The standard PCT is nolva and clomid. Tapering down the dose on both. But I find I recover just fine with only clomid. I do 50mg /day for 4 weeks, and that’s it. No taper, no 1 week at 100mg. This works great for me – every cycle except the one deca cycle. …which I’ll never do again.

  • Reply
    Joe
    May 30, 2018 at 2:50 am

    I forgot to mention the high and tight balls. Mine have been like that, but I noticed after a week or so taking the Arimidex like I said, they are hanging again. I suppose this is a sign the Arimidex is working?

  • Reply
    Joe
    May 30, 2018 at 2:25 am

    Hello.

    My question is exactly how long does Arimidex take to do its thing? I am on week 6 of Test 500 and EQ 750, and maybe 2 weeks ago my Libido started taking a hit, and now it’s gotten worse. I was NOT on an AI, but have Arimidex. I was told to do 1mg every other day. I started that about 2 weeks ago, but it just seems like it has gotten worse.

    EQ I’ve read is SIMILAR to deca? Well I did a deca cycle a while back, and got hit real hard with limp dick. I did use caber, but I was also dosing deca like I am with the EQ now, higher than the test. Other than the caber, I also dropped the deca down to about 400, and the test up to about 700. I think that made a huge difference.

    I JUST did the same with my Test and EQ doses, and am hoping that helps. I am ordering blood work in a few days, but right now I am GUESSING my estrogen is much too high. I am just wondering if the 2 weeks of 1mg EOD of Arimidex is too much?

    Anyway, I apologize if that is a bit of a jumble of information… but would love any advice you might be able to give.

    Thanks

    • Reply
      Roly
      May 30, 2018 at 11:59 am

      If your body responds to AI’s the same way mine does, you’re taking WAAAAAAY too much. If you look at that part of the story above, I drove my E into the ground and broke my dick on HALF of what you’re taking. On the same amount of Test (500mg/week). So if I did that with .5mg/EOD… You’re doing it twice as fast on 1mg/EOD.

      I think more reasonable dose would be .25mg/EOD. You don’t want to CRUSH estrogen, just knock the top off high levels. A LITTLE bit high is a good thing. I actually have better libido / erections with E running a tad high.

      I wish I could give you a definitive answer on exactly how long it takes for these AI’s to work. But unless you were monitoring blood levels daily, how would you know? That being said, in my experience 2 weeks is PLENTY for it to kick in. And it sounds like you brought your E from too high, right to too low.

      It’s EASY to do that and miss the “sweet spot”. I wonder, did you maybe have good Libido for like 1 day on the way down? I wouldn’t be surprised if you did… and E was in the zone for a day on it’s way down.

      1mg/EOD would be way too much for me. You have my sympathy bro! I’ve done exactly this, gone from too high to too low and not fixed anything. Estrogen is a BITCH. It’s just tough to get it right.

      • Reply
        Joe
        May 30, 2018 at 12:30 pm

        You’re probably right, and I think I may have hit a sweet spot on the way. What do you think I should do about that AI? Should I pause it for a week, or lower it to extremely low?

        Yeah my ED went from still working but not great, and now it seems crashed… so what you’re saying sounds right. I listened to this person and knew I shouldn’t have.

        • Reply
          Joe
          May 30, 2018 at 12:31 pm

          Honestly I’ve never run much in the way of AI’s and been fine except for when I ran deca but that’s a different story.

          Should I just try stopping the AI for now and keep running the 100mg Proviron? Or better to run the AI at something really low?

    • Reply
      Andres Sanchez
      June 25, 2018 at 10:26 am

      I have a question. What’s normal ranges for Estrogens, total?

      I had an Estrogens total level of 140 last month. Is that different than E2? I haven’t had my E2 checked I guess if that’s different. Thank you

      • Reply
        Roly
        March 18, 2019 at 7:33 am

        Sorry I don’t know the range for that test. I use the E2 ultrasensitive test, because it’s supposed to be considerably more accurate.

  • Reply
    CHSTAR313
    May 18, 2018 at 11:21 pm

    IM NEW TREID TO JOIN SAID EMAIL WRONG DONT KNOW IF GET THIS ,BUT YOU GUYS ARE LIKE BROTHER HOOD HELPING EVERYONE OUT I M ON TEST DECA STARTED DBAL 5 WEEKS NORMAL 12,5 AROMISEN ,AND GOT DOSTINEX ,CABER EVERY 3 DAYS .6 BECAUSE A PLACE WAS SALING 25 MG ONLY ALOT OF PHARMACYS LIKE THAT ,IM ALSO AMPUTEE HERO LONG STORY,THIS TIME I LISTENED TO DYLEN GENNELEE KNOWS JIS SHIT ,NUMBER 1 DONT START IN HIS WORDS TELL HAVE AI AND PCT IN FUCKING HANDS INCASE HAVE TO STOP DONT START TELL GOT EVERYTHING ,I GIVE UP PCT TAMOXIFEN OR CLOMID SOME SAY TAM 40 202 20 02 ,AND NO CLOMID ? I HAVE LEG PROBLEM LEG DOESENT FIT BUT ANOTHER LONG STORY I WENT FROM 185 RIGHT TO 200 12 DAYS JUMP STAR, WAS ONLY TAKING 300 DECA AND THIS FORUM SAID WHY EVEN TAKE DECA TAKE 500 AND 600 T 800 TEST IF YOUR ON HARD AI BECAUSE FIGHTING YOUR GAINS ,NOW IM TOLD TO GO 14 TO 16 WEEKS BECAUSE HAVE ABOVE KNEE ATROPHY FROM AMPUTEE AND ONCE BACK ON JUIVE FLABBY LEGS GROWS NO BULLSHIT 3 INCHES IN A WEEK NO WATER IS IN BUT QUALITY OF THE LIFE I HAVE ID RATHER DIE THEN WALK AROUNF ONE BUILT LEG ONE BONE LEG NO CHICKS

    • Reply
      Roly
      May 25, 2018 at 6:07 pm

      Well I got 2 bone legs, and no built leg!

  • Reply
    bryan
    April 13, 2018 at 1:39 pm

    Roly, Thanks for the info.. I have searched a lot, and this article has answered most of my questions. So, I have been on TRT for 5 weeks now and Im noticing a couple of sides. Im on 160Mg test cyp per week with the injection on Mondays. Then I take a 1mg pill of Anastrozol on Tuesday and then 500IU of HCG Thursdays and Fridays. Im definitely looking much leaner as far as fat goes and gaining some muscle size as well. I have gained 3 pounds in 5 weeks, and look leaner in the stomach with bigger arms, chest, etc.. The sides Im having are red flushed face that comes and goes, and my nipples are a little more sensitive and ALWAYS hard. Also, started getting this little twitch in my eye lid a few days ago.. My first round of bloods is after 3 months of therapy, so I have about 7 weeks to go.. I know you had said that flushed face is just an affect of the testosterone, not necessarily high or low E, but with the other sides in considerations, whats your opinion? Thank you!

  • Reply
    TheOne189
    March 1, 2018 at 6:43 am

    How do you feel about Nolva only PCT?

    Also, I’ve heard high E level also accelerates shrinkage. What are your thoughts?

    • Reply
      chris
      September 29, 2018 at 9:58 pm

      nolva will block estrogen receptor from binding to breast tissue. its excellent for gyno prevention but won’t stop total estrogen in body. something like arimidex or femara will block majority of estrogen which will stop bloating, water retention, etc.
      Nolva will not prevent water retention.

      for me, i have to be careful not to kill my estrogen too much. 1mg of arimidex easily does too much damage.
      i use nolvadex for the sole purpose of killing any chances of sore nipples/gyno showing up in my cycle.

  • Reply
    Robert
    February 20, 2018 at 10:13 pm

    I did a cycle about 5 years ago but I don’t do a pct besides clomid and still struggling with ED. From what I read on your post I have low E cause Viagra didn’t do shit as well as having sex is like impossible not 95% of the time. I don’t know what to do to fix it and all I do is blame myself. I’ve lost 3 girl friends because a erection is to hard to get and might like last 5 seconds. I don’t even know where to get the stuff to fix the problem. I don’t want to do another cycle cause I’m afraid of what else it would I’ll do.. Please can you help guide me

  • Reply
    Anonymous
    February 20, 2018 at 10:12 pm

    I did a cycle about 5 years ago but I don’t do a pct besides clomid and still struggling with ED. From what I read on your post I have low E cause Viagra didn’t do shit as well as having sex is like impossible not 95% of the time. I don’t know what to do to fix it and all I do is blame myself. I’ve lost 3 girl friends because a erection is to hard to get and might like last 5 seconds. I don’t even know where to get the stuff to fix the problem. I don’t want to do another cycle cause I’m afraid of what else it would I’ll do.. Please can you help guide me

    • Reply
      Roly
      February 23, 2018 at 9:35 am

      Sorry to hear that man. I KNOW how much that sucks. First of all “just clomid” is not a bad Pct! I did clomid/nolva my first PCT, but have done just clomid every cycle since with great results on every cycle except the deca one. 😮 Deca shut me down HARD. Stay away from deca.

      Anyway this is what you need to do. Get yourself some CLOMID. You can buy it here.
      Clomid is EXTREMELY effective at boosting natural T production. Take 12.5mg every OTHER day. The pills are 25mg, so you’ll have to break them in half (you can get a pill cutter at a pharmacy for like $3).

      After a week or two your body will produce T again at decent amounts. And some of that T will convert over to E. Just enough to raise your E levels to normal.

      WARNING: If you take more clomid than what I’m suggesting here, you’re going to raise your T too high, and therefore by way of aromatization raise your E too high. Then you will be struggling with High E instead of Low. You just need a LITTLE kickstart. You can run like this at 12.5mg every other day for months on end. That’s what I have done since that damn Deca cycle!

    • Reply
      Ray
      April 3, 2018 at 5:15 am

      You need blood work. Doctors hear this all the time so don’t be embarrassed. Tell the doc the truth and the doc will run blood work to find the issue. Or you can just say you took some legal test boosters and ever since then you don’t feel right and say you read it could be testosterone and estrogen and would like them checked. Or go to Private meds.com and order your own booodwork. $55 and they will email you a script for the booodwork. You go and get your blood taken and in a few days they email you the results. Why wait and live like this when you can probably easily find out what it is and fix it

  • Reply
    Jules
    January 31, 2018 at 4:52 am

    Hi, I have been taking Test e 9 weeks and dbol in the first 4 weeks with no AI (I know I’m stupid). on cycle I got a good amount of face bloat but only in face and no gyno symptoms. Libido on cycle was a little higher than off cycle. but now in week 1 of pct with nolvadex 20mg ED and clomid 100 mg ED I’m having a little libido problems, I can get it up and keep a hardon but its harder to get it up and I don’t have a big desire for sex not as high as before cycle. could it be high E, and should I take Adex on pct or should I just wait until the pct is done and see how it is?

    • Reply
      Roly
      February 9, 2018 at 3:52 pm

      You know, I never took an AI (Adex, aromasin) during PCT, but in hindsight I feel like I def should have. If the PCT actually works – and that’s the whole point right?? – Your boys will start producing T again. Clomid is very effective. When I take clomid by itself off cycle I easily double my T levels. With all that extra T some will certainly convert to E.

      You def don’t need as much AI as you would on cycle, but a small dose would probably help during PCT. Like Aromasin 6.25mg EOD. Something along those lines. Again, I’m speculating I haven’t actually done this, so take that under consideration before you act.

      The other thing to keep in mind is PCT is temporary. If you get it wrong and have libido problems, it’s like 6 weeks out of your life, maybe another 6 for shit to sort itself out. So I wouldn’t stress too much about getting the levels perfect during what is very much a transition period. Although I certainly understand you’d want to be able to have somewhat normal sex during those 6-12 weeks.

  • Reply
    Matt
    January 14, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    Hi Roly,

    Great post here. Wanted to run a question by you. I am 26 years old and I am currently into my 9th week of my first cycle: Test C cycle at 350mg a week for 12 weeks. I was running Aromasin at 12.5 mg eod starting in week 3 but had increased it to ed at around week 7 due to signs of high estrogen. Hindsight is 20/20 of course and I should have waited till my mid cycle bloods. I got my mid cycle bloods back and my TT levels were 1858, with my sensitive E2 reading at 12.4 (8.0-35.0 pg/ml) scale. Evidently, I am in the lower end of normal. But i never noticed any signs of low E2 with joint pain or acne or anything. My moods and erections have been all over the place throughout the cycle. So here are my questions:
    1. Should I back off the aromasin for a week and then drop the dose to 6.25 mg ed? Assuming I drop the aromasin for a week, when I resume, should I continue with 12.5mg? My thought process with dropping to 6.25mg ed was that in theory it would double my E2 levels (~24.8) which would be in the higher end of normal.
    2. How long should I give it to test my bloods again to see where things are at? I know Aromasin has a steady state of 5 days.

    Thanks so much for your help, really appreciate it.

    • Reply
      Roly
      January 15, 2018 at 3:10 pm

      12 is really low for e2. I’m surprised you aren’t having low E symptoms.

      I would not take “a week off” of aromasin, you’ll just cause levels to swing more wildly, which rarely leaves you feeling good. I would just knock it down to 12.5 EOD. In a couple weeks it will all sort itself out.

      Personally I would wait at least 3 weeks or so to retest. It’s not just the ‘steady-state’ of aromasin it’s your body cranking out more aromatase with LESS of it being supressed by the lower AI dose now.

      It’s one of the harder things to do with this – make a change and WAIT. Give it 3 weeks.

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        Matt
        January 15, 2018 at 5:36 pm

        I really appreciate the response, Roly. Would 6.25 mg ed be the same difference as 12.5 eod with the short half life? I figured 6.25mg ed would be better for more stable bloods. Thoughts? Or does it not make too much of a difference.

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    Jack
    January 2, 2018 at 11:04 am

    Hi Roly

    Hope u can help
    I don’t have sex drive at all no morning wood or hardons at all there no feeling down there at all it’s pretty much dead

    I even take cialis and still don’t get a hardon if do it still really soft and the orgasm is dull and loads feels crap

    I started 500 test e and the next day took 0.25 of arimidex the next morning I had a anxiety or panic attack

    I don’t feel bloated of seem to be holding water shoulders hurt but they have sucked anyway

    Finding it hard to tell if high or low e2

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    Squatinator
    December 29, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    If you kill your E2 – Wouldn’t you be able to solve it by upping your testosterone dose for a while? So that you have more testosterone that converts into estrogen.

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    Patrick
    October 31, 2017 at 11:59 am

    Hey Roly,

    I never used an AI during my first cycle of Test C 500mg per week and 250ius of HCG every 3 days. Didn’t really notice anything crazy. I mean, my nipples were harder/more pronounced (not sure if that’s what people consider “puffiness”), and I got back acne. I assumed both were indicative of High T levels. (3144 ng/DL)

    After that, I was cruising on 250mg/week of Test Sustanon during the wild fire season. I lost 30lbs and got super chiseled since it’s basically 16 hours/day of cardio. There’s no amount of food I could consume to keep the weight on. My back acne got worse throughout the season, so I assumed I still had above normal Test levels; however, I finally got an endocrine referral for TRT, and the bloods came back at 800ng/DL. They did not test E2.

    Brings me to my question: Before I start on TRT, I’m running a cycle of Test E 600mg / Deca 400mg per week and HCGius E3D (currently in week 2). With that much aromatizing, I decided I would run an AI from the start, because if I had questions, the Bro’s would crucify me in the forums for not being on one. Is 12.5mg/day of Asin too much or too little for that specific amount of gear? I’d like to say I can tell the symptoms, but it’s not concrete. You get acne with low E, I got it with normal to high E (I wasn’t on an AI) last cycle, and once I decide how much to take, how long do you stick with that to see if a change should be made? 3 days, 1 week, no real answer? I was having no sex drive before the cycle started (since I returned home from deployment 2 weeks ago), but since then, it’s been great and I’m not interested in losing that libido for a week or more due to low E. My girl was not fun to be around lol. Any advice would be awesome.

    • Reply
      Roly
      December 19, 2017 at 9:15 pm

      I think 12.5mg aromasin ED sounds about right. Did you have any ED probs the first cycle with no AI? If no, then yeah, that’s fine, that’s a low’ish dose, a good starting point.

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    James
    October 12, 2017 at 1:53 pm

    Hi there

    I’m running 750 test 500 deca

    What would say is a good aromasin dose for
    This

    As used adex at 0.25 eod and got bloods and come back high so went 0.5 and crashed estrogen

    So came off and let rebound

    I’ve moved onto aromasin at 12.5 eod done 3 doses so far
    Sleep is better and mood but no morning wood and soft cock when haven sex could I be high , joints seem ok but always sucked anyway

    Would 12.5 ed be better

    Thanks

    • Reply
      Roly
      October 13, 2017 at 10:57 am

      Well I run 12.5 aromasin EOD on 500mg Test alone. So you’re doing 50% more Test.. Plus Deca – which does aromatize a little. PLUS, you just came off the adex and allowed a rebound. So my guess would be you’re running a little high.

      If I was you (and your body might respond differently than mine) but if I was you running, that, I would try 12.5 ED. That seems about right. You are running over a gram of gear a week, with 2 compounds that aromatize.

      Do 12.5 ED and leave if there for 3 weeks or so, then revaluate. If things haven’t improved, then at that time you gotta’ fork over the $$ and get bloodwork done.

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        James
        October 14, 2017 at 1:32 am

        Thanks for the replay

        Got blood work ready to go but want to stick to a dose to see where I am
        Must admit I feel a lot better on 12.5 of aromasin eod than did on adex

        Well leave to Monday and then go to ed and see any improvement

        Could be the deca causing problems as well but never had problems with prolactin or with bloods

        Will defo keep u posted

        Maybe leave at 12.5 eod for a other week and see if things get any better ?
        As only been in a week at that dose

        Thank you for your help

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    Gary9872
    July 23, 2017 at 3:41 pm

    Some great advice here. Everyone is different. Bottom Line get the bloodwork done and save yourself a world of pain. If your doctor says they don’t test estrogen, get a better doctor.

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    Fat Henry
    July 8, 2017 at 5:16 pm

    i just got my blood work done. running test cyp 500mg per week, eq 400mgs per week. took shot late thur night. got blood drawn less than 9 hours later the next morning. this would be at week 9. my test levels came out at 2175. I asked for E2 test, but my doc apparently didnt know what that was. so he marked me down for total serum. Radioimmunoassay • Extraction testing method. and my total serum came back at over 4000. how is this even possible ? I dont have gyno, or any other crazy symptoms of high estrogen.

    I started cycle on Adex .5mg twice a week. didnt like what i read about adex so i switched to aromasin. did 12.5mg EOD for a week. then people worried me and said i was taking too much. so I stopped. 2 weeks later is when I got this blood test. Kinda perplexed by this.

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    Marcus Crassus
    May 31, 2017 at 5:41 am

    Hey, I recently took a 6 week fast-acting test-prop (1ml EOD) / Tren hex aka parabolan (1ml EOD) / 30mg Dbol cycle. for PCT I only used to Arimidex as I needed to be cleared up for a non-bodybuilding/weight lighting competition. I started off with 0.5mg ED Arimidex for two weeks and then for the last 7 days I took 1mg arimidex ED. I’m fairly certain I have the symptoms of low E. Its been about one week since last pill of Arimi and about 4 weeks since last injection. I used to fap 2-3 times A DAY with rock solid boners now for the last month I’ve only fapped 2-3 times PER WEEK with a very floppy wiener. takes 10 minutes excessive wanking to get hard and if I leave it on its own for only 10-15 seconds it shrinks soft again. Even when I’m “erect” its still not fully 100% hard as it is bendy. I’ve done several cycles before but usually take nolvadex as PCT and no problems with libido. This time I needed to take arimidex due to the shorter detection times. How can I fix my problems? My physique looks amazing, I’m shredded AF measuring 3.3% body fat and dropped only around 5 lbs since cycle so 190lbs bw. No acne or bloated face… My only problem is a broken dick.

    • Reply
      Roly
      December 19, 2017 at 10:19 pm

      Did you run HCG during the cycle?

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    Seth
    May 23, 2017 at 3:41 pm

    Hey gotta question for you. I’ve read this thread several times, and it has helped tremendously with becoming more self aware of estro symptoms etc.

    Currently in week 5 of PCT, and not really seeing any signs of normal function.

    Cycle was 7 weeks of 500mg Test E
    Last 10 days I ran Tbol at 40mg a day.

    First two weeks of pct were fine, I had zero issues. I was honestly surprised. This was probably largely due to the fact that I still had some esters hanging around.

    Right at week 3, the boys completely shrunk and began to experience symptoms of high e2. Which would mean a estro rebound, but I was running the pct protocol as planned.

    Clomid 100/100/50/50
    Nolvadex 40/20/20/10
    Aromasin 12.5/12.5/ 6.25/6.25

    Again first two weeks were awesome, now I feel I’m pretty shut down, no libido etc etc.

    I’m still running novla at 20mg a day, which keeps the boys swinging, if I don’t take it, it’s not good..on that same note, I’m also seeing sides of low e2. Lethargic, no drive, terrible memory.

    Something isn’t adding up here.

    So what are your thoughts on handling this? I’m starting to run out of nolva, probably another weeks worth.

    Thanks for your time

    • Reply
      Roly
      May 25, 2017 at 6:31 pm

      Did you run HCG throughout your cycle? It is EXPONENTIALLY harder to bring your boys back online, if you don’t run HCG throughout. So if you didn’t, I would extend the PCT another 4 weeks to try and compensate for that mistake.

      Also when did you start PCT? You typically wait 2 weeks after your last T shot before you start PCT, and you continue to run HCG during those 2 weeks.

      I do is slightly different. I run HCG 2 weeks after the last T shot (in addition to running 500iu/week during the cycle) But I start PCT 1 week after the last T shot. So that 2nd week I have overlap and actually finish up the last week of HCG, while starting the first week of PCT.

      My first PCT I ran nolva and clomid. I swear nolva BROKE my dick. I could not get anything like a boner when I ran nolva. About 3 days after I quit nolva I could get ok erections again. Not 100% normal, but decent.

      The way I do my PCT is how I described above with the 2 weeks HCG after last T shot, and start clomid 1 week after last T shot. I run clomid 50mg/day for 6 weeks. Nothing fancy, no taper down.

      I’ve done 2 PCT’s like this, one after a 6 month cycle and came off great! No depression, maybe 1 week in the gym losing strength, then right back to adding reps again. Got my total T tested a month after and it was 800! So I’d say it worked great.

      My erections didn’t get back to 100% normal until about 3 months after my last T shot. But that’s what the pills are for! lol I had a girl over last night, week 3 of PCT when my libido is probably as low as it will be the whole cycle. I just popped a Viagra and was good to go. I’m totally Ok doing that for the next 2 months if that’s what it takes until I’m back to normal. If you’re going to take steroids, honestly Viagra/Cialis are part of a necessary “Post cycle therepy” are they not? …on an ‘as needed’ basis of course. 😉

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    Joe
    May 8, 2017 at 5:27 am

    I took pro hormones years ago when I was a bit younger and didn’t do it properly with the pct. Really wish I had of done research before jumping on it. Haven’t touched nothing since and dealing with these side effects such as, Fatigue, hot flushes , headaches, sore joints, Erectile dysfunction!

    My Testosterone is sitting at 22.1 nmol/L range is from ( 11.0 – 40.0 )

    My Oestradiol is L<37 pmol/L, should be between ( 55 – 165 )

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    DEM
    April 25, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    Can someone help me out? How long can someone estrogen remain “out of balance”? Did a test cycle one year ago, 500mg test e a year a go, started ai in week 4, dropped Ai for pct. nolva/clomid pct 40/100 for two weeks and 20/50 for two weeks. I was told to pin my hcg on two shots during pct. what would this do to my estrogen levels? My symptoms are Mostly Mild but include soft erections,cystic acne, anxiety, creaky joints, slight libido change and at times I’m emotional. I thought that my it could be high estero so I took .25 mg of arimidex eod for two weeks, felt a tad bit of relief but I’m convinced it was placebo because they feeling of normalness went away after a few days. Went to the doctor and everything is with in normal range. They won’t test my estro though. The reason why I’m asking is because I want to do another cycle and just restart again. I have not felt normal in a while, but just very subtly. HELP

    • Reply
      Roly
      April 27, 2017 at 12:11 am

      Your estrogen can remain out of balance indefinitely. There’s no time limit. If you start running 500mg Test E, with no ai. And you do that for 20 weeks, you’ve got a really good chance of having your E be way to high from week…3 until maybe a month after PCT. So assuming 2 weeks before starting a 4 week PCT… 30 weeks. It’s only going to correct itself if you take an Ai while on, or stop everything and give it time.

      If you aren’t right yet… personally I wouldn’t do another cycle. Give your body a chance to get back to normal before you go fucking with your hormonal system again. Steroids are really effective, but… make no mistake about it we are royally messing with delicate systems in the body. You can’t do that all the time, you need months off to normalize.

      Also, you don’t run HCG during PCT. Someone gave you bad info. You run HCG DURING your cycle, and for 2 weeks after your last shot. Then you stop and run PCT drugs during PCT. Personally I only run clomid, as nolva killed my erections. But I get that nolva/clomid combo is the standard, so I won’t try to stop you from doing that.

      I ran a 6 MONTH cycle and bounced right back using clomid for 6 weeks. Nothing fancy just 50mg /day for 6 weeks. No 100/50/25 taper. A month after PCT my natty test was at 800. So it really worked!

      Lastly if the doctor didn’t test E, then you can’t say everything is normal! Go test your own E for $79. I test my own all the time and don’t bother with doctors:
      https://www.health-tests-direct.com/ordering-page/

      • Reply
        DEM
        April 29, 2017 at 9:52 pm

        So let’s say I get the test done and I have crashe my e. What would you recommend after that? Im going to get the test done, but I’m sure I’ve crashed my esteogen.

        (By the way thanks for the reply, it’s impossible to find reliable sources on forums. I truely appreciate it)

        • Reply
          Roly
          May 2, 2017 at 2:45 am

          That totally depends what else you’re doing. If you’re not on anything, and you’re off cycle, just wait it out it will return to normal. If you’re on, then you want to LOWER the Ai dose, not just drop the AI completely. If you drop it totaally, E can quickly run the other way and be too high in a week or two.

          I don’t know what you’re on. And everyone responds differently. But say you were on 500mg Test E, a good starting point for that is 12.5mg Aromasin every day. I haven’t run Arimidex in years.
          Personally I find it’s much easier to crash E levels on A-dex than aromasin.

          The one time I really crashed E levels hard (first cycle I ever did) down to a 6 on the e2 test, I was running .5mg adex every other day. With 500mg Test E. That’s all it took to crash it out. So IF you only have adex available, maybe .25mg EOD is a good starting point. Personlly I don’t touch adex anymore. Aromasin all the way.

          • DEM
            May 3, 2017 at 1:04 am

            So I haven’t done a cycle in a year and a half. The cyxle I did was a simple 500 mg/week test e cycle. Still get the odd cystic acne, no morning wood, soft erections, anxiety, poor appetite and creaky joints. Doc said that blood tests were good (including testosterone) but will not check estrogens. How long did it take for your e to recover??

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        Brian
        May 10, 2017 at 10:28 am

        Hello your post was very helpful
        Thank you

        Roly
        I have a question that you might be able to help with
        I took Dianabols years ago but once I finished my cycle I was working away from home and was unable to take any estrogen after the course
        Do you think this would have any bad affects
        I did have pains in my balls after and went to the hospital and they said no estrogen was required

        • Reply
          Roly
          May 11, 2017 at 11:13 pm

          Why would you take Estrogen after a dbol cycle? Or ever? You don’t take estrogen, if your estrogen is too low, raise your T levels and your body will convert some of the T to E.

          Dbol by itself will shut you down (shut down your natural T production) so after a dbol cycle, you should have done a proper PCT.

          Running a cycle or messing up your E levels is not permanent. Get off everything and in a matter of months you’ll get back to normal. So if this was years ago, you’re fine. You won’t still be feeling affects from that.

          Even if you skip PCT completely, you’re not like permanently F’d up from that, it will just take months to get your natural T levels back up to normal. And you’ll likely lose all your gains in those months. But you don’t cause permanent damage.

          The permanent damage risk you have to look out for is with oral steroids, and running them too long. If you overdo it with orals, you’ll have liver failure and end up in the hospital or DEAD. So if it’s been a couple years and you’re not dead, it’s safe to say you didn’t caue liver failure, lol. 😉

          • Brian
            May 13, 2017 at 4:03 am

            Thank you soo much for the reply
            That made me feel a lot better
            I was told that after the cycle estrogen was needed to ween myself off the dianabols
            I think I took them for 6-8 weeks
            My body doesn’t allow me to put weight on and that was the only reason I took them I did workout as well also they was the oral ones

            The pains in my balls why did they give me pains then

            Do you think this could of had an affect on my fertility

            Thank you for all help again
            Brian

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        James hero
        September 20, 2017 at 7:59 am

        Hi Roly

        I’m hoping you can clear this up for me. I’ve been getting hot flushes periodically throughout the day after a 4 week cycle
        4 weeks of: 50mg Anavar + 50mg dbol.
        Along with this is ran Clomid for the entire length of the cycle.

        I’ve been clean 2 weeks and the flushes started a week ago, there really intense. Any idea what’s going on?

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    Anonymous
    April 15, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    Hi Roly,

    I’ve recently lowered my estrogen from 89 pg/ml to 25pg/ ml. I had all the side effects listed on high E – though I had very oily skin and mild acne on my face. I use Aromasin to control E and used 25mg for 4 days and 12.5mg for another 6 days to get it to 25 pg/ ml. I am now on 12.5mg Aromasin ED. I am also on 250mg Test a week – that’s it. Almost 7 weeks in.

    Unfortunately, though my E is perfect according to my blood test, I am still suffering. By 10pm I feel very tired and I wake up feeling tired, with dark bags under my eyes. My joints feel great however. Libido is in the gutter and though I do get morning wood, it is weaker than usual. Does it take time for your body to adjust to changed Estrogen levels in the blood? I figure I just need to give it some time. It has been 1 week since I dialed Estrogen in at 25pg/ml.

    Lifting performance is getting back to normal – 3 weeks ago I felt tired in the gym and was hard to go for pr’s, but now it’s improved again, especially my endurance.

    Would appreciate some advice. Thanks!

    • Reply
      Roly
      April 27, 2017 at 12:03 am

      In regards to this – “Does it take time for your body to adjust to changed Estrogen levels in the blood?” Yes I think so. I was in a similar situation, E2 way too high, I lowered it, came in at a near perfect 24 on the test, but still had barely-hard-enough-for-sex, bendy erections. With e2 at 24, erections should have been rock solid and normal. I didn’t change anything, and a couple weeks later things slowly started to improve.

      I almost feel like if your E is out of whack for a while – particularly if it’s too high, you don’t just have to get it back into range, you have to get it there and keep it there for a few weeks before things return to normal.

      In the meantime get yourself some Cialis! It’s a great backup plan until the ship has righted itself. It’s not like Viagra where you have a 4 hour window, you can take one pill and be good to go for like 3-5 days.

      If erection quality isn’t the issue and it’s other symptoms, just keep taking your aromasin and wait it out. If blood test says you’re in the right range, just give it some time.

      My only other thought is… how long were you ON the 250mg Test when you got bloods? Test E takes a full 6 weeks for blood levels to be stable. So if you tested E2 at week 3 for example, the numbers may be different at week 6 as test levels and therefore Estrogen levels via aromatizing continue to rise. But anytime after week 6 and beyond should be pretty consistent.

      • Reply
        Anonymous
        May 6, 2017 at 5:16 am

        Ok. Thanks for your reply! This helps a lot. I definitely agree with you there – I think there is a delayed response between your blood levels of Estrogen and your physical symptom changes.

        I just want to add now that I switched to Arimidex at Week 7 because the Aromasin was making me very tired at night – more so than usual. I have had a few blood tests since, and my Estrogen raised to 38 pg/ml when I switched to the Arimidex. I recently got a blood test done on Monday 1/05/2017 and it came back at 33 pg/ml. Still chasing that elusive sweet spot! I was on 0.5mg Arimidex EOD and 0.25mg on the days in between.

        Now, I am currently dosing Arimidex at 0.5mg ED and 1mg on injection days (Mon and Thurs). This is on 250mg Test E per week! I hope this gets my E2 around 20 pg/ml because I haven’t felt the Testosterone AT ALL in the past 10 weeks! A few days after my first shot I experienced these crazy hard boners at night and had an erection all day, yet this only lasted 1-2 days unfortunately. It has since been almost 10 weeks and no improvement in erections, libido, energy, etc.

        I am still waking up with heavy dark bags under my eyes every morning, leading me to believe E2 issues are still causing problems. Do you think this is what it boils down to? (as to why I’m not feeling the Testosterone)

        I am really becoming bothered by all this as since lowering my E2 from 89pg/ml to 33pg/ml I haven’t felt too much better physically, although I am considerably less bloated!

        I am considering sticking to the same 250mg dosage but dividing it into 4 injections throughout the week keep blood levels more stable and possibly convert less T to E2. Does this sound plausible?

        Would really appreciate your advice Rolly. Cheers. I am hoping that once I get E2 down to the low 20’s or high teens that I will finally start to feel the Testosterone working!

        Will also consider purchasing some 20mg Cialis pills in future!

    • Reply
      Roly
      September 30, 2018 at 7:58 pm

      Hey bud, I’m gonna’ throw one more reply out here. Since things have changed. I recently had blood work done when I had FANTASTIC libido, and my E2 was at 40. In the past when my E2 was at 24 – which is allegedly “perfect” my erection quality was shit. So… make of that what you will! I think they’ve got the range wrong. My libido and erections are way better with E2 a little high. I’ll def be aiming for 40 from now on.

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    Rob
    April 3, 2017 at 4:17 pm

    I’ve read that oily skin is a good indication to high E along with bloated face and bloat in general. This is my biggest problem with test and it’s very annoying. Great information, thanks

    • Reply
      Roly
      April 3, 2017 at 10:28 pm

      When my E gets too high, my skin actually starts to clear up. For me High T, low E is worst for acne. …and unfortunately best for making gains.

  • Reply
    Carson
    April 3, 2017 at 1:20 pm

    Man i know exactly what your talking about!.
    I had a little than higher estrogen nothing to big so i took aromasin for 7 days 12.5 mg and drove my e into the mud, and on top of the fact im ripped this is a double wammy. Broke dick 🙁
    Im not sure what to do to get it back up. Lots of healthy fats, pregnenolone….maybe take clomid to get the LH up.

    • Reply
      Roly
      April 3, 2017 at 10:33 pm

      Just stop taking the aromasin and give it a week, it will come back up. No clomid. Just stop. Are you on steroids or Testosterone replacement? I wouldn’t take aromasin on it’s own without being on something.

      If you’re all natural and just want to lower E, Zinc is a great option. It’s not strong enough to use with steroids, but to lower your E a bit off cycle, it’s great.

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    Nick borcic
    March 18, 2017 at 11:58 am

    Hey there… Would you get sleep issues with high e? I don’t have fat fingers still lean joints feel decent but ever since I messed around with hcg aromasin and cookie my sleeps gone to crap and feel down and no libido/wood at all….

    The acne I’m getting is under the skin almost cystic not little pimples on my face.

    I’m leaning towards low e even though hcg increases estrogen but I was using 25 mg a day for three or four days

    • Reply
      Roly
      March 20, 2017 at 5:09 pm

      25mg a day of what? Aromasin? That’s a hefty dose. That could easily drive E too low. For reference right now I’m running 250mg Test E and 500mg Deca a week, and my AI dose is 6.25mg of aromasin every day.

      If I were running just 500mg Test a week, I’d stick to that, or maybe bump it up to 12.5mg EOD. 25mg for 3 days in a row will knock E into the dirt for a couple days. For ME anyway, everybody reacts differently, but I don’t think I’m too far outside the norm for AI dosage.

      What are you running right now? If I know that, I can recommend a good AI dose starting point.

      I DEFINITELY get that cystic acne when my E is too Low, not too high. How are your workouts? When I’m too high i start losing strength. Too low you can have great workouts and no boners. Lol. Sad but true.

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    Joe
    December 20, 2016 at 6:40 am

    I ran an 8 week cycle of just test and long story short I only took 4 AI’s over the 8 week span. Now As I wait to begin my PCT I am beginning to feel the side effects of high E with awful libido and water retention. Will the High E go away as I begin and finish my PTC of clomid and nolvadex? Should i take an AI while I have to wait to begin my PTC? Getting a little paranoid and want to ensure my body returns to the same it was pre cycle.

    • Reply
      Roly
      December 21, 2016 at 9:15 pm

      Ohhh man it’s tough for me to remember what I did. I finished up my last cycle months ago, and don’t start one for another month or so. I think what I did was still take SOME ai, going into PCT – like the first couple weeks, and eventually stopped. But 1/2 my normal dose. So if I was doing 12.5mg aromasin EOD on cycle, going into PCT I’d do that amount like 2x/week for the first week or two, then one more dose the next week, then stop the AI.

      Also side note – I swear nolvadex gave me erectile dysfunction after my first cycle. There were so many things going on I can’t know for sure, but I stopped the nolva and everything slowly got back to normal.

      PCT is a tough time to diagnose stuff because everything is changing, by the time you get something figured out it’s different. Don’t stress it too much, it’s just a tumultuous period you have to go through. Part of the game. If you’re still out of whack a month after PCT then you can stress.

      I realize it’s kind of the standard PCT for a lot of guys, but you don’t NEED nolva. My last PCT after a 6+ month cycle I ran just clomid and bounced back fine. In fact my total T was higher after PCT than it was before the long ass cycle. But I did extend pct 2 weeks to 6 weeks. I also didn’t have nearly the ED issues with that one, I could still get a good erection mid-pct.

      This is just me in my experiment with n=1 subjects… But in my experience assuming I got the dose right, when I used arimidex or nolvadex I had really bad libido issues. When I used aromasin or Clomid I did not. On cycle and during PCT. Just something to consider. 😉

  • Reply
    oliver
    November 1, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    im currently facing big troubles regarding the nasty estradiol ,i cant figure out what is the anastrozole dosage which is best suited for me,if i dont take it ,i have skyrocketting e2 at 60+ shbg very low= very high FREE e2.

    if i take 0.5 three times a week i crash down to the ground and low e2 symptoms show their ugly head.

    my libido sucks on trt/aas.

    it is a nightmare.

    • Reply
      Roly
      November 8, 2016 at 12:40 am

      Alright so zero adex isn’t the answer, and .5mg 3X/week is too much. So why not hit the midway point between those 2 extremes and do .25mg 3X/ week?

      I actually switched from adex to aromasin on the second half of my last cycle. And I had way less issues with libido after doing that. The dosing is different with aromasin though. I did 12.5mg EOD with that one. Or MWF, that’s almost the same thing as EOD. Hope this helps! 🙂

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        oliver
        November 9, 2016 at 10:55 pm

        ok ,i will give a try to adex 0.25mg, 3 times a week.
        Aromsain is a suicidal anti aromatase.it attachs to the enzyme and destroy it,so the body have to creates new ones.
        In the long term,there isnt problems with this concern?
        (ending with low aromatase,which would be dramatic).

        thank you for your advices,because im out of whack by now,i dont have libido nor pleasure .

        • Reply
          Roly
          November 10, 2016 at 1:22 pm

          I don’t think the suicidal nature of Aromasin is a concern. I think your body will just create more aromatase when you stop. But I’m not a doctor.

          I’ve been off cycle for 2 1/2 months – a cycle that I used Aromasin on. And finished my long’ish PCT 2 weeks ago. I feel GREAT! And just got my Total T tested, it came in at 702.

          I don’t know what my E # is right now, but I’ll get it tested next month and post back.

          Hang in there man, libido issues suck. But it’s not permanent. It will all sort itself out.

  • Reply
    Chris
    October 27, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    I’ve been dosing adex at .5 eod and think I may have drove e2 to the ground, now do I stop taking adex till I feel right again or just adjust it straight away to .25 mon wed fri?

    • Reply
      Roly
      November 8, 2016 at 12:37 am

      I would just ease up on it to the .25mg MWF schedule. E2 can really swing wildly if you just stop the a-dex completely.

  • Reply
    Richard
    July 28, 2016 at 7:17 am

    Is it possible to have bloated face on Low E ? Low E is causing dehydration and dehydration can cause water retention especially in the face.. thats what i heard..
    Thanks

    • Reply
      Roly
      September 7, 2016 at 11:46 am

      I mean I guess anything is possible, but that seems highly unlikely. If you’ve got a bloated face that’s typically indicative of HIGH E. When my E is too low, my face looks great! My joints and libido might be a mess, but I look handsome, Lol.

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