Steroids Before and After

Fantastic Libido with Higher Estrogen (Estradiol, E2)

I had a really difficult time recovering my natural T production after my first (and last!) Deca cycle.  I can’t deny how well the Deca worked, my physique never looked better, but if you can’t recover properly… there’s no point in cycling.

You’ll just lose all the gains and end up back where you started.

Months after my cycle, with my libido still very low, I got bloodwork done and found my total T at 243!  I only run about 500-600 normally, but still.  This was awful.

Also worth noting that I was taking 45mg Zinc a day at this time.  And still had numbers this low and non-existant libido.  I seriously question the libido and T boosting properties of Zinc supplementation.

I debated doing an HCG blast first , since with a total T of 243, my PCT after Deca basically failed.  But ultimately I decided to just use Clomid.  Clomid at 25mg/day gave me ZERO side effects and a Total T over 800!  Winner, winner.

I see no reason not to just stay on low dose clomid indefinitely whenever you’re off cycle.  …but that’s a whole other post.

My libido came roaring back.  I was back to thinking about sex quite often and masturbating once a day to take the edge off.  (At a total T of 243, I’d go days without masturbating).

I spent 3 months living in California and surfing during this time, no lifting weights, so I can’t say how my strength was.  But totally subjectively looking in the mirror, my muscle mass looked about the same as it did when I was in the gym 3 days a week.

I couldn’t drop fat at all, even with pretty agressive dieting.  And my face looked… puffy. So I decided to check my E2 numbers.

E2 came back at 40.

The range they tell you for men is anything less than 29.  So here I am running high(ish) with the difficulty losing bodyfat even when dieting, and the fat face to go along with that.  But my libido has been FANTASTIC.

More importantly my erections have been great.  I feel “normal” again.  I’m not struggling with a bendy erection, and I’m thinking about sex regularly.

So it’s got me thinking… maybe the “range” they are telling us is normal is ALL WRONG.  I have in the past pulled a 24, and 29 number on the E2 Estradiol ultra-sensitive test.  This is RIGHT in range, the 24 especially is textbook perfect, and yet my libido and erections were shitty.

Now here I am with E2 = 40 and everything is right with my sexual function.

I’m back in the gym lifting again, and it seems to be going well, making progress, but it’s only been 2 weeks.  Still, it’s definitely not holding me back at all.

But I can’t drop fat at all right now.  Even with hard dieting.

It’s an interesting conundrum.  It would SEEM, that the ideal anabolic environment for sexual function (high T and high’ish E) is different from the ideal anabolic environment for fat loss (high T, low E).

My skin is also completely clear and pimple free.  Which makes sense with the high’ish E.  For me the perfect storm for bad skin is high T / Low E.  (same anabolic environment as for fat-loss).

So I think what I’m going to do, is just let my E run high’ish.  It’s great for sexual function, and fine for muscle gain.  I feel GREAT too.  I’m a little more emotional than normal, and my face is a little bloated, but nothing bad.  Totally liveable.  Totally WORTH IT to have a properly functioning dick again!

Next time I cut fat, I’ll get on an aromatase inhibitor and have my E run LOW, for the duration of the fat-loss phase.  Then let it drift back high’ish when I’m done cutting.

Let me know in the comments if you’ve ever experienced something similar.  Does your libido IMPROVE when your E runs slightly high?  Have you every accidentally killed your libido by crushing your E too low?

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5 Comments

  • Reply
    gabriel
    January 7, 2019 at 11:22 am

    hows it going Roly your articles are amazing as I’m going through some issues now. I’m on my 12 week of my cycle i started off with 600mg test e weeks 1-8 bumped it up to 800mg weeks 8-currently now. i got my blood work done 3 weeks into the cycle e2 came back at 17 and test was through the roof around 1,500
    but now at 12 weeks e2 is at 111 and test is at 460. this does not make sense to me as i raised the test. also my lifts and body composition isn’t what it was at the beginning or middle of my cycle. can high estrogen lower testosterone or your blood work. i don’t feel the test. also i as taking .25 arimidex every once in awhile i figured i didnt need to since my e2 was at 17 when i started. thank you !

    • Reply
      Roly
      February 6, 2019 at 11:30 am

      At 3 weeks, especially with a loooooong ester like enanthate the cycle has barely started. That would explain a Total T of 1,500 – I don’t consider that high for 600mg of Test. When I had bloodwork done at the 6 week mark on 500mg/Test, my total T was 4,100! This would also explain the nice, low E2 reading. The cycle hasn’t kicked in enough to really be aromatizing yet.

      At 8 weeks it looks like too much is aromatizing, with your E at 111. You DEFINITELY need an AI. I’m not sure about the Total T at 460 at that point. I can’t imagine runaway aromatization would aromatize THAT much of your total T to knock you down that low… ON cycle? But maybe it does. Or maybe your gear is underdosed.

      You’re not feeling the cycle anymore because of the runaway E, negating all the T. At any rate, at 12 weeks just end the cycle. My cycles all RAPIDLY lose effectiveness past 10 weeks anyway.

      NEXT time: I would definitely get on an AI. If you’re running a long ester like Test E, maybe don’t start the AI until the 2nd or 3rd week. Don’t overdo it like I did. Do like .25mg EOD of arimidex to start. Or the equivalent of aromasin.

  • Reply
    Chris
    September 29, 2018 at 9:52 pm

    Ive currently been running 500 mg test Enanthate, 400 mg tren E and 600 mg masteron

    completely satisfied with my results and decided to stop at 12 weeks. the issue i had during my cycle was my E2 would drop significantly from a single dose of .5mg of arimidex. so low that the next day, after pissing like a race horse all night, i was chiselled by the morning. libido issues inbound. luckily wife was pregnant with 4th and final child and was not as horny has then last 3 so it wasn’t a big deal. i stopped all AI except nolva and my libido returned after 3 weeks. soon my water retention and high E2 symptoms returned and I took .25 mg of arimidex. boom, 2 days later the arimidex killed my libido again. i was speechless. now i only run nolva for gyno prevention, drop the arimidex and control the bloating with diet. Apparently, I’m not a huge converter of estrogen. In any event, my libido is solid again and no more AI’s unless I’m looking more bloated than chris farley. unbelievable, how powerful arimidex is for some and not for others.

    by the way, i really enjoy your page. i learned a lot from your experiences and if the docs in my town were a little more accommodating i could get more regular blood work but for now ill be learning by listening to my body.

    cheers

    • Reply
      Roly
      September 30, 2018 at 7:25 pm

      Dude, I know! Crazy how strong the AI’s are. I would try Aromasin instead of A-dex. It’s not as strong. It’s a suicidal AI (meaning it kills off aromatase, doesn’t just fill the receptor) so if you do stop suddenly, you don’t get a crazy rebound when receptors “let go” of the AI, you get a gradual return to normal as your body produces more aromatase. With aromasin, doeses are more like 12.5mg. Not .25mg.

      Long half life too, so if you really need to cut the dose, you can take it only twice a week. Or even once a week. You can’t really do that with A-dex because of the rebound affect.

      I don’t know where you’re located, but in the States, I found a new place to order labs. You can check E2 for $59!
      https://www.ultalabtests.com/genesishealthcarepartnerspc/Shop/Items/Item/Estradiol-Ultrasensitive-LC-MS-MS?q=Mg%3D%3D

  • Reply
    Danilla
    February 26, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    How long does it take to drive e to low using an air with your dosages?

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