I had a really difficult time recovering my natural T production after my first (and last!) Deca cycle. I can’t deny how well the Deca worked, my physique never looked better, but if you can’t recover properly… there’s no point in cycling.
You’ll just lose all the gains and end up back where you started.
Months after my cycle, with my libido still very low, I got bloodwork done and found my total T at 243! I only run about 500-600 normally, but still. This was awful.
Also worth noting that I was taking 45mg Zinc a day at this time. And still had numbers this low and non-existant libido. I seriously question the libido and T boosting properties of Zinc supplementation.
I debated doing an HCG blast first , since with a total T of 243, my PCT after Deca basically failed. But ultimately I decided to just use Clomid. Clomid at 25mg/day gave me ZERO side effects and a Total T over 800! Winner, winner.
I see no reason not to just stay on low dose clomid indefinitely whenever you’re off cycle. …but that’s a whole other post.
My libido came roaring back. I was back to thinking about sex quite often and masturbating once a day to take the edge off. (At a total T of 243, I’d go days without masturbating).
I spent 3 months living in California and surfing during this time, no lifting weights, so I can’t say how my strength was. But totally subjectively looking in the mirror, my muscle mass looked about the same as it did when I was in the gym 3 days a week.
I couldn’t drop fat at all, even with pretty agressive dieting. And my face looked… puffy. So I decided to check my E2 numbers.
E2 came back at 40.
The range they tell you for men is anything less than 29. So here I am running high(ish) with the difficulty losing bodyfat even when dieting, and the fat face to go along with that. But my libido has been FANTASTIC.
More importantly my erections have been great. I feel “normal” again. I’m not struggling with a bendy erection, and I’m thinking about sex regularly.
So it’s got me thinking… maybe the “range” they are telling us is normal is ALL WRONG. I have in the past pulled a 24, and 29 number on the E2 Estradiol ultra-sensitive test. This is RIGHT in range, the 24 especially is textbook perfect, and yet my libido and erections were shitty.
Now here I am with E2 = 40 and everything is right with my sexual function.
I’m back in the gym lifting again, and it seems to be going well, making progress, but it’s only been 2 weeks. Still, it’s definitely not holding me back at all.
But I can’t drop fat at all right now. Even with hard dieting.
It’s an interesting conundrum. It would SEEM, that the ideal anabolic environment for sexual function (high T and high’ish E) is different from the ideal anabolic environment for fat loss (high T, low E).
My skin is also completely clear and pimple free. Which makes sense with the high’ish E. For me the perfect storm for bad skin is high T / Low E. (same anabolic environment as for fat-loss).
So I think what I’m going to do, is just let my E run high’ish. It’s great for sexual function, and fine for muscle gain. I feel GREAT too. I’m a little more emotional than normal, and my face is a little bloated, but nothing bad. Totally liveable. Totally WORTH IT to have a properly functioning dick again!
Next time I cut fat, I’ll get on an aromatase inhibitor and have my E run LOW, for the duration of the fat-loss phase. Then let it drift back high’ish when I’m done cutting.
Let me know in the comments if you’ve ever experienced something similar. Does your libido IMPROVE when your E runs slightly high? Have you every accidentally killed your libido by crushing your E too low?